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Мнение от LEXUS » 05 Мар 2012 20:35

E60_Power написа:Преди да си правите тънки сметки за това колко икономична е тази "кола", прочетете част от мненията на собственици на Приус, защото изобщо не става дума за живот на батерията от 8-10 години, а много по-малко. Поствам малко мнения на "щастливи" собственици на тоя "шедьовър" на автомобилостроенето. Първите коментари са от преди 4-5 години.


"Lately my 6 month old Prius intermittently refuses to start. Press the Power button and the LED display comes up weakly and no reponse from the shifter. So, I hit the Power off and on a couple of times (a.k.a reboot) and it responds. This has happened 3 times in the last week. It's going in for service next week."


"my 05 prius has been doing this intermitant no start for the past year. we have taken it to the local dealer and did all the battery checks and could find nothing wrong. this problem has occurred again, i am writing this as i am waiting for the tow truck. i am going to get it towed "as is" so that they might be able to figure something out"


"My 2005 Prius has same problem, intermittently refuses to start. Press the Power button and the LED display comes up no response from the shifter. I hit the Power off and on a couple of times and it responds. This has happened 2 times in the last week. Please let me know how you fixed the problem last time. Thanks!"


"DOCUMENT THIS PROBLEMS,
AND TELL TOYOTA TO GIVE YOU A NEW ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BECAUSE ONECE THE WARRANTY IS OVER, YOU WILL HAVE TO SELL YOUR KIDNEYS TO FIX THAT CAR.
IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF CAR YOU CAN TAKE TO ANY AUTO MECHANIC."


"Have an '05 Prius...5 no start episodes, and twice to the dealer...everything checks out.
Seems to have something to do with wife sitting in car during lunch, but she swears she shuts everything off.
Will try to replace battery with upgrade kit.
Bought the extended warranty, but it has been no help!!"


"I think i have this brake pedal problem, i tried to explain this switch in the brake pedal to my husband, which is what i suspected was malfunctioning and he said i was crazy and it was just for breaking. Of course the crooks at the Toyota dealer said it was fine, I have an extended 100,000 warranty but i still have a start issue which begins when u push on the break pedal"


"I have a 2004 Prius and the same start problem. Curiously, it happens every time after taking a nap during lunch time. I turn the car off. I open and close the door to make sure lights are all off. Then I take a nap. The car would not start. I recently realized that if I have the AAA truck give me a jump start the car works just fine after that, as if nothing had occurred (unfortunately, the prior week I had to tow it away and it cost me $100.00 -- then I realized I didn't need to have it towed). The battery seems to be working just fine. I had the car checked at the dealership twice now, and they find no problem with it. I am very frustrated!"


"I have a 2001 Toyota Prius.
It turns on, the engine runs for about 5 seconds, then the engine shakes and dies, and the brake warning light comes on.
It runs fine and suddenly dies, so I am quite certain that it is an electrical problem. I plan on checking the fuses this afternoon after I eat.
I have had numerous problems with my car, including the legendary 12V battery dilemma, which I remedied with a quick battery release to easily remove the battery if I know that I won't be using the car."


"2004 Prius stalling and not starting problem and we were told by the Toyota dealer it was our "driving habits" and encouraged to buy a new gas only vehicle (conveniently on sale at the dealers). The service dept had load tested the 12V battery on 3 occasions - claiming"no problem". However, independent checks (3) revealed a dead battery. Replaced the dead 12V with a new Optima and the car not only has no more problems - it is getting better gas mileage..and our "lazY" garage door opener now is quickly on task.
WHY DOESN'T TOYOTA TELL THEIR SERVICE DEPTS. THAT BATTERy CELLS BECOME WEAK AFTER ALMOST 5 YEARS!!!"


"I just came back from the dealership. This problem has happened twice in the past week.
Now at least I know I am not crazy, and the dealer does not have a clue. My car is a 2005 as well. The power just locks up and you can not turn it on or off. They told me to get out of the car and star over. I was also asked if I am wearing different shoes, (hah) sure that effects the engine, and do I put my foot on the brake whenI start---, I've only had the car for 33,000 miles 3.5 years -- maybe I don't know how o start it."


"I have a 2008 Prius. This has happened to me now for the 3rd time - first 2 times, Dealer said battery was defective, 3rd time, they tell me "there is nothing wrong with the car". I have had Toyota's all my life and loved them, but am thinking of filing a Lemon Law issue on this one if it happens a 4th time. AAA is getting tired of coming to jump start my car!"


"I have a very low mileage 2005 Prius. I can't leave it undriven for more that a few days without the auxiliary battery going dead. It starts OK with a jump. The first time it did this I took it to the dealer -- who said that there was no problem. I found this site searching for a way to upgrade the puny auxiliary battery. After reading all the other posts, I think I will take the car to an independent auto mechanic to see if I just need a new battery and/or if I can put a more robust battery in it."


"I may be having a little start up problem. It has happened to me twice. Its a 2008 Prius, 13,000 miles.
In extreme cold weather, like today about 20F and the other time it was about 30F and very windy.
When I start up the car, I get something like a buzzing sound as the ICE tries to kick in."


"I just purchased a 2007 Prius 1 month ago. Can you believe that the battery has died already after 1 week of not driving it? I'm also thinking of filing a Lemon Law complaint."


"My 2007 Prius intermitently fails on power up. Can put in gear and red warning triangle is on. After pushing power of 4-5 times it will power down. 2nd try turning on always works."


"i have a 2007 prius (purchased 1 year old) that would not start after not driving for a week or so. My husband jump started it and moved it in the driveway but did not drive it 20 minutes (like I told him to ) to recharge the battery. Of course 20-30 minutes later went to leave and it would not start again. Tried to jump start again, initially interior lights came on but could not get the engine to start or shift gears. Now we get nothing...Anyone have any suggestions...My husband hates these "new fangled" cars but I love my Prius til now..."


"I have a 2009 Prius that I have had to have AAA jumpstart 4 times since I bought it in May 2009 (that's 13 months). Took it to the local Toyota dealership, they tested the battery, said it tested fine and there was nothing they could do, end of story. Pissed me off! They of course suggested that maybe I left the lights on? I told them I'm not an idiot!! You'd think after all the bad press Toyota has had they'd bend over backwards to make their customers happy. I told them next time I'm buying a Honda. So frustrating!!!"


"I own a 2007 Toyota Prius. I tried to start the car. Every single light came flashing on the car, I couldn't put the car in Drive or Reverse. Also the start button was on red and not green. Anybody have any ideas what the problem might be?"


"I have had problems with my Prius 2007 starting and just recently figured out that it is something with the parking brake. I pupm the brake pedal until it feels stiff and then it starts. Just an FYI."


"I am having the same problem with my 2007 Prius. Last week the car wouldn't start after hitting the power button, however the display lights on the dash were bright as well as the headlights and dome lights, however "ready" never showed up. I had it towed in to the dealership where they ran tests and found the auxiliary battery fully charged, and electrical checked out. The same problem happened again today. This time, I put the car in neutral and then in park. "ready then showed up, the dash lights went out and the worked. I am again calling the dealership to log the complaint. Any ideas out there?"


"My Mom & Dad just bought a 2010 Prius and it is driving us nuts. Several times we have gotten in and pushed the start button only to have the front end shake violently like the motor mounts are broken. Toyota has had the car for several days and have not been able to duplicate the problem and say there is nothing wrong with the car. We are getting the car back tomorrow and if it happens again I'm afraid of what my 83 & 85 yr. parents might do and or say when it is taken in for the third time. Anyone have any suggestions?"


"2007 Prius 12v battery problem - same as those listed above - lights come on with red warning triangle but can't get in gear. After restarting several times, I was able to get a response. A month ago, I took it to dealer for the routine check-up and oil change and advised them about the starting problem. They told me everything checked out. This is winter, and eventually the car totally died and had to be jumped started every time, so I went back to the dealer. I have been advised that I need a new battery - the warranty is expired and the extended service plan (yeah now I know it was stupid!) does NOT cover batteries!"


"My 2007 Prius doesn't start in the winter after leaving it for two to three days. No lights, nothing. I have had the battery changed and it still doesn't start after being left for a few days. Toyota service say they can't find anything wrong?!"


"GD.........I also have a 2009 Prius.. It has refused to start twice in the last four weeks. This is after driving to my grand daughters school to pick them up so the car has only been sitting for 10 minutes. The first time everything on the display was flashing at me. AAA was able to get it started. We took it straight to the dealership and they said they couldn't find anything wrong with it. It happened again yesterday and again AAA got it started. This time the dealer said the battery failed the load test. The good news is that they replaced the battery with no cost to us. I sure hope this solves the problem. I hate feeling like I have an unreliable car. It only has 9600 miles on it."


"2010 Prius ... 742 miles. Our dealer has had the car three times since we bought it Jan 7, 2011.
Same starting problem ... same result ... battery OK ... nothing wrong. They did authorize a rental ... have had the car now for over a week ... it FINALLY misbehaved for them, and they contacted Toyota direct and were told to "check under the seat for the 3-wire USB interface. Replace it." They got the part today ... and we are picking up the car tomorrow. IF this happens again .. we are going right to the Ohio Lemon Law. They have tested the battery with a load test ... tested OK. Tried to find a "ghost draw" of power ... did not find any load loss. We have had the warning triangle, the flashing display panel, the P for parking warning on level ground ... etc. We have had 'em all .... and have had the same query from the service folks ... "Did you start it properly ?? Are you sure you didn't leave the light on ?? etc."
(We have a 97 VW Passat diesel with 253,000 miles on it, and have never had a starting problem. Too bad diesel in Ohio is right at $3.39 a gallon.)
Wish us luck tomorrow."


"I just tried getting in my 2006 Prius and nothing happened. I had to resort to using the key to actually get in the car, and when I pushed the button to try and start it, nothing happened. Nothing is happening at all. No lights turn on, no sounds, nothing. I'm scared, really scared. What am I supposed to do? It won't even lock itself when I push the button, I had to do it myself.
I haven't driven it for about five days, is that the problem? Did the battery die? If that's the case, how do I make it work?"


"I have 2008 prius, does not star,battery seems to ok, a/c working, plenty of light, month ago mechanic said need to change transaxel(transmission). I am frustrated."


"Prius 2009: Same problem: triangle of death occur and the transmission P is abnormal and we have to park on level ground. The car is driven everyday and parked on flat surfaces."


"I have a 2011 Prius with 6000 miles on it. Around 4 times now it has refused to go to ready after pushing the power button, one time it took about 15 minutes and numerous tries before it finally worked. I took it to the Toyota dealer and they decided I was not pushing on the brake pedal hard enough (come on!) A few days ago it did it again, I got my small HD camcorder out and recorded it this time.
I pushed the brake, hit the power button, the LCD display lit and flashed a few times, no ready light, I tried this several times with the same results, LCD display would dim when you hit the brake but no ready. During these trys, the unit did not ant to shut down when the power button was pushed. Finally, it beeped but I still did not get a ready, the next time it beeped and went to ready, it worked okay after that. I took it to Toyota and showed the Video to the service people, the car was there two days and the service manager blamed the brake again, evidently the service people did not tell him about the video. Here in Ohio, after three times with no repair it can be considered a lemon."
Такива неща нали знаеш, че могат да се напишат за всяка кола:

":'( First of all , hello to everyone. I'm a new member. I've got a 07/2003 530D E60, Fully loaded but as well lots of problems.... It started with an ABS sensor, than a burned seat (faulty seat heating), than Nav problems, than front brakes, than like all E60, software upgrades, than cd player, sunroof makes noise, adaptive lights not working properly (does not always work), a month ago broken engine (piece of collector that broke, ended in the engine and boum) and finally after 500 kilometers with new engine, the turbo blew....I'm now waiting for a new one.... and got (again) a nice Mini One D from my dealer...I forgot one thing about the voice control, It never worked.... Anyone got same or similar problems? "



"Sound much like SueBMW's car. :blink: Except diesel. At least amount of problem is similar."



"You are not the first one with a broken diesel engine. Skaffa is right about all your problems. I think it's time for you to have a talk with you BMW dealer to see if they can take the car back.. Is there some kind of lemonlaw in the UK?? We don't have it in the Netherlands unfortunately.. "



"Kermit,

I had an engine failure on my Oct 03 530d at 16,600 miles. The throttle assembly collapsed and was sucked into the engine. The dealer tried to avoid fitting a new turbo at the same time but when they hooked everything back up to the new engine they discovered the original turbo was also faulty and replaced it. Sounds like your dealer also tried to avoid changing the turbo and it didn't work out either...very foolish and short sighted.

I never bothered to have the heated seat recall work done as I knew I was selling my car and the heated seats worked fine anyway. I had isues with my Business nav not working properly early on but these were cured with a software upgrade. "




"Now , I have the same problem, my car is also a 530d e60 05/2003. now around 138.000km
my engine is making a tokking noise, was that the same problem? can u help me? "




"My brothers 2005 E60 530d has started producing large clouds of black smoke when its floored, the oil level is fine and it was serviced about 6months ago.

The smoke only lasts a second or so and I know all diesels produce some black smoke, but this looks like a Victorian steamroller.

I take it this is somthing to do with the car not burning the fuel enough, any idea whats causing it? "




"I had a similar problem on mine about 18 months ago, black smoke, loss of power - turned out to be an cracked manifold which was replaced under warranty."




"My Nephew is a BMW officiado and loves pulling his car to pieces and putting it back together again and have spoken to him re the above

Theres a couple of known problems on the E60 530d that give excessive smoke

First one is the oil breather check it and give it a good clean or replace, whilst you are at it best change the air filter as well just eliminates another source

EGR valves have been known to fail at very early mileages so worth a check too

The air filter mounting rubber can block the MAF to cause not enough air to go in. After many months, due to fuel riched ratio (inefficient burning) the sludge deposited around throttle body and inlet manifold cause the rod to stick and fail to further control the air intake always resulting in the car running rich.

Just his words of wisdom but hope they help you "




"Another BMW with a possible engine problem. I hope he gets it sorted soon. "

"My trusty steed has just let me down after a playing up over the past couple of weeks!

It started with an intermittant loss of power, which was corrected by stopping, switching the engine off, then restarting. It would then run normally for the rest of the journey.

However, recently it started belching out dirty white/grey smoke soon after warming up, and after about half a mile it would clear, with the car running normally.

I thought this might be a sensor, or sticky valve problem. However, yesterday, I set off on a local journey and it smoked heavily almost from the start, and did not stop. Also, the usual turbo whine was not present, having been replaced by an awful rattle. The car was also down on power.

Returning home immediately, and smoking all the way, I checked the engine oil dispstick to find it devoid of oil!! Note: No low oil warning received).

I suspect that I am now facing a turbo replacement, but would like to draw upon you in answering the following questions:

1/ Is the turbo easily accessable? Are there any good parts diagrams available?

2/ What is the likely cause of the initial power loss two weeks ago? And how has this manifested itself into a suspected turbo failure?

3/ Is it a turbo failure? Could another component cause power loss with associated clouds of oil smelling smoke?

4/ When changing the turbo, should I replace any other component?

5/ How/should I clean the CAT?

Any help/advice would be much appreciated

ps: Apart from the above, the car starts and idles normally, it is only when driven that the problems become apparent."





"Hello mate,
In the last few days I have had exactly the same symptoms with my 530d! (i can hear a beeping sound from the left hand side of the engine bay too when i lift the bonnet and engine off). I was wondering how you were getting on? Please let us know of the outcome we've only had our e60 for 6 months and it's only covered 65k miles so am worried to say the least. Where did you source the turbo from and for how much, if you don't mind me asking.
Many thanks"




"Thanks for getting back so quickly. Initially it wasn't smoking but felt down on power, then intermittent clouds of whitish grey smoke when accelerating. But now it's there all the time. Oil level on the dip stick is non existent over the course of a couple of days. Although I can't hear any rough grinding noises I can still hear the turbo whistle albeit less pronounced.
This our first turbo diesel and am shocked to see this happen on a BM. The car is now parked up for fear of creating a runaway engine if started again not sure what to do first! I've read other posts and am sceptically hoping it's just the breather unit on top but if it is then what causes that to go bad?
All the very best with your car and i eagerly await your findings."




"Hi Kiiyt,
Just got my car back from an indipendant BMW specialist & whilst I'm £2k lighter the car seems great. The turbo was worn. The following work was carried out:
DTC & live data studied.
Removed induction pipes from turbo.
Checked end float.
Removed exhaust and checked from other side.
Conclusion - turbo worn. Fitted new turbo
Removed and cleaned intake pipes and intercooler and inlet manifold.
Also cleaned exhaust as best possible.
Removed swirl flaps.
Reassembled, engine flushed and changed oil + filters.
Brake oil changed+ vehicle check - all ok no codes

Have take car back after 500 miles for a quick check.

Don't know if that helps but all weird buzzing noises gone and power restored.
Hope you get your car sorted soon fella."




"The car is a 530d SE 2004 model, had 71000 miles on it when i bought it. Full BMW service history, verified by me. 3000 miles i drove, everything was perfect. Then last weekend i had a loss of power, very clow acceleration. No white smoke or noise initially but this developed over the next couple of days.

Now confirmed as turbo bearing failure. Needs new turbo, luckily for me I'm within my 3 month warranty and it will be covered.

74000 miles doesn't seem like much for a turbo to fail. Especially with regular oil changes, full BMWSH etc.

So anything I can do to prevent it happening next time? Or is it just a case of wait until the inevitable?! Seems that turbos fail all the time and end up being expensive to replace!"




"I too have a 2004 530D auto that has just had a new turbo at 50,000 miles.
Like you, mine is always serviced on time and was an AUC car. I always let the car warm up before flooring it and always drive slowly into my close and onto my drive at tickover then wait a few seconds before turning the engine off.
I wonder if it's just a manufacturing fault that has taken a while to show itself (i.e. bad tolerances)? Or poor materials. Can't think of anything else that would explain it."




"Well in my case it was a catastrophic failure as the bearing broke up and chucked engine oil in to the exhaust. I had noticed the car was using oil more than usual the previous month and also noticed it was smoking under load, although not excessively. I also found a leak on one of the intercooler seals when the turbo was removed, this leak had been there all the time since owning the car (12 months). I had been assured by a number of people, the supplying garage included, that the noise I could hear was normal!"




"Without warning, my 54 530 D turbo bearing failed at 65K and results in £4,500 repairs (new turbo, exhaust manifold, exhaust & cat). BMW Warranty to rescue. No indication or oil, strange noise above 1500rpm and fading power, no smoke or oil loss. Independent garage says, usually above 80K and up to 250K. Earlier replaced CAT, inlet manifold and gearbox sump and twice glow plugs surely nothing more will drop off. Is this really a quality product? Kia gives 100k on theirs – BMW would not risk it! Can anyone advise on a safer BMW?"




"I'm dealing with the same issue (2005 530d)- at times the turbo fails to boost properly resulting in terrible accerlation. Changed the Mass Air Flow sensor... but still have issue (also now have a more frequent engine warning light - emissions warning). Read codes... and also have the glow plug error just as you have. Is this not an area to investigate further???"




"The turbo has gone on my 2004 530d, I have 2 possibilities for replacement:

1. Genuine BMW parts
2. BTN Turbo

The price difference is just over �300

Any recommendations or experience of this problem? "




"From what I've read seems a fairly common problem around this mileage!! "




"Well, at around 10:00 GMT this morning my turbo packed up whilst overtaking a car on a hill. A horrible noise, lots of black smoke and a loss of power. I limped it back home and called BMW Emergency services. About 100 minutes after my call a BMW mobile technician arrived in an E39 estate and confirmed that the turbo had failed after he revved the engine hard and saw huge clouds of black smoke. I asked him if it was a common thing for turbo's to fail and he said "yes" and that he had been called out to quite a few on roadside calls :blink:

So there you are. A fairly serious failure at only 15,600 miles. I'm not a happy camper just now and the service I received from my dealer when the car was trailered there was less than brilliant. I asked when they thought they would have it repaired and all I got was a blank stare and "we'll do our best sir but there are SIX other BMW rescue jobs in the queue ahead of your car".

I'm fed up with the crappy after sales service on offer from BMW in the UK. I tried to book my car in for the *URGENT* safety recall on the passenger airbag sensor and was told the earliest they could look at the car was the 26th October. I tried another dealer and they quoted the same waiting time. It seems that BMW GB are selling more cars than their network can support. Time to switch to another brand I think and cancel my X5 order. "




"sorry to hear about your turbo ISUK.

I know a few 330d owners that had similar problems, once fixed problems never came back, faulty turbo that was all.

i dont think any brand offers 100% reliability and it seems it don't matter what you spend. was talking to a guy last week that just had his lamborghini gallardo back at the dealers after 3000 miles for a whole new gearbox !!! and he paid well over �110K for it.

Heard similar stories about the pricey Merc SL's etc etc......just fact of life I guess...hopefully your car will be back to its best soon and you'll be :D again. "




"Sorry to get back on to topic!!
Just spoke to BMW here. No reports of turbo failures.
Our environment is quite harsh being hot and at altitude. When the 320D first launched there was a recall because of the many turbo failures which has now been resolved. "




"I also discovered today that the tow truck driver who picked up my car said that he has been called out to an average of 3 failed turbo's on 3 and 5 series cars a week. When he takes them to my dealer the techs apparently groan "not another turbo!". Seems that BMW have a problem here that they are keeping very quiet. Oh well, only another 6 to 7 weeks of ownership for me before I collect my new X5 and switch dealers. I sincerely hope they are more customer focused. "




"Hi there,

This is my first post on the forum so would like to say a big hello to everyone

I have been reading lots of posts on this forum which have helped me out a lot during the first few weeks of ownership of an E60 530d sport and cure a problem I had...

First week of ownership was fantastic until starting the car early one frosty morning, it started up fine then after about 30 seconds there was a 'bing' from the idrive then up popped 'Charing fault' followed by 'Check battery terminals' then 'Transmission failure' 'RunFlat failure' & 'DSC Failure' messages

I turned the car off and went round to the boot to check the battery terminals which where all nice and tight, so got back in started it up and it was fine, all the messages had gone and no faults on the i drive any more so off i went.

a couple of days went by with no more messages appearing on the idrive then one night on my way home from work i got 'Charing fault' but nothing else. then it went away. when i got home i checked the battery voltage which was 12.75v with the engine off, and 14.39v with it running. I left the car over night and checked the battery voltage in the morning which had dropped down to 11.89v.

I bit the bullet and brought a bosch battery, replaced the old one and the car was perfect for the rest of the week... until another cold morning and all the messages appeared on the idrive again!. I checked the battery again with the engine running it this time the alternator was not charging as the voltage was 11.75v dropping down rather quickly then i heard a slight change in rev's and the alternator started to charge the battery

All was well for another couple of days until it was cold one morning again, it did the same as above. so i decided to replace the alternator, since doing so i have not had another warning message from the idrive. So it would appear the old alternator was charging when it felt like it

The old alternator did look like it had some oil split or dripped onto and inside it as some point as it had that dirty oily muck look about it

So to cut a long story short, a new battery and alternator has cured my early morning wake up call from the idrive with heart stopping warning messages of transmission failure

Hope this may be of some help to others "




"Thanks for the above post, I have the same issue on cold mornings, twice in the last 2 months but had it a few times last winter.

I have already replaced the battery and IBS lead around 1 month ago, but i also have a message

I will re-read the fault codes tonight as I got the message this morning (-1'c)

Thanks

Rick "




"I will put money on it being the alternator/regulator, I've just cured another e60 with the same fault, we replaced the regulator on the back of the alternator and and its been perfect every cold morning since.

For whatever reason the regulator, for a split second, was shorting to ground and causing everything to reboot, only when cold though... hard to diagnose but we caugth it on the multimeter one morning.

I forget the Fault code present (i'll see if I have it written down still) but it was stored in the DME as a 'power supply' fault "




"Hi all, this is my first post here, and unfortunately with a problem with our car

We have an '04 530d with 16,000km (yes only 16,000) which is out of warranty by 6 months. Today it read 'transmission failure' and was extremely jerky switching from P to R.

While under warranty I had the car checked twice for juddering on climbing hills. This was checked by the dealer on both occassions and was not demonstrable. They gave the all clear then.

The questions now:

1. Has anyone experienced anything like this before?

2. Is the earlier fault related to the current trans failure?

3. Would AB give a contribution to repairs given the fact a gearbox problem has surfaced but not diagnosed previously?

many thanks to all"




"Assuming your gearbox has actually failed, I am sure if you ask BMW AG why their gearbox only lasts 16,000km a favourable response could be extracted from them."




"any update on this.

My 530d has kind of jerk when it shift from 2nd to 1st gear during stopping.

I plan to change the transmisson oil... any comments"




"The gearbox is an item that should last a good 200k KMS without failing and many continue to go after 200k kms. Having said that, the E60 gearbox has been known for failure (1 E60 in my family had the gearbox replaced.) but then again, it doesnt make it acceptable."




"Hi all,

I am driving a 530 2005 model with automatic transmission, 87,000 km on the clock.

Couple months ago a transmission fault singal came out soon after I felt a slip and low bang when shifting gear. The tranny was then in a protection mode and I took it to the dealer (AGMC in Dubai) immediately. I left the car there foe a week; they test drove, confirmed no mechanical faults, adjusted SAS and re-coding the control unit.

Things went well for a few days before I felt the "lurch" every time the car is creeping to a full stop. It's very obvious. Mean time, I also notice, in steptronic mode, when the car is static and I downshift from M2 to M1, the gear box jerks with a bang. After putting up with this annoying thing for weeks, I've decided to bring the car to the dealer, again.

I called the SA today, and this time he told me the problem is in the tranny itself and very likely I would have to replace it. In Dubai, they only offer 2 year warrany which means I have to pay big money to get it replaced. He also told me they have sent a report (a PUMA, maybe?) to Germany and will "advise" me of what to do and how much to pay.....

I have done my search and it seems like many E60 owners have experienced similar trouble. But has anyone actually replace the tranny, at his own cost? Did it really fix the problem?

Any advice?


Thanks! "




"I had a similar issue on my 7er at 85k miles and my transmission was replaced under warranty but the problem kept on coming back thats why I had to let it go, and its really a major problem in the E65/E66, However in the 5 I don't have any thing similar to that and by the time I do it will be time to turn it in. Good luck "




"Well after one week in the workshop, checking, software update and a PUMA case sent to BMW, my SA told me the tranny needs to be replaced. As the local dealer AGMC Dubai only offers 2 year unlimited milage warranty, my car is no longer under any warranty. However BMW approved a "good wills" replacement as the car is under a service contract and the mileage is reasonabley low (87,000 KM). Still I have to pay all labor coat and 50% part.
"
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Мнение от ToyotaPassion » 05 Мар 2012 20:37

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Мнение от dnedkov » 05 Мар 2012 20:37

От дебрите на интернета:

БМВ в България най-лошото обслужване..
от "СТОП на лошото обслужване" на 4 март 2012 г. в 11:06



Искам да споделя моя лош опит както клиент на БМВ България. Мисля, че проблема е в цялата организация на фирмата и тя не може да се оправи. Клиент съм на БМВ от 5 години. Като за този период не само съм пазарува автомобили, но и съм продал над 100 автомобила, без да взема една стотинка за това. Въпреки всичко това аз получавам отвратително отношение като клиент. Проблемите се редуват един след друг. Отначало търсих различни оправдания, за да продължа да купувам, но вече не издържам. Харесвах марката от малък. Мечтаех си да имам такъв автомобил и работих здраво, за да го получа. Оказа се, че това мое желание ми донесе само неприятности. Понеже не съм човек с неограничени финансови възможности реших да си купя БМВ премиум селекшън. Закупих си една тройка през 2007 година и от нея бях много доволен. Но от БМВ ми предложиха да премина на по голям модел - 5 серия. Понеже нямах пари за чисто нова се съгласих да закупя автомобил, който беше за демонстрации на клиенти. Оставаха още няколко месеца до изтичане на демо периода и трябваше да дам "минимално капаро" от 15 000 лева. На мен ми направиха реверанс и ми взеха капаро "само" 10 000 лева. В последствие разбрах, че автомобила е отишъл на пътуване до Австрия, защото единия собственик е решил да ходи на ски и е взел демо автомобила за лично пътуване. Това много ме обиди. Почувствах се като идиот, който си купува кола, която собственика на представителството не смята, че е нужно да си купува. Аз глупака купувам, а собственика спестява и кара автомобилите, които са определени за клиенти. Тогава, защо да си купуваме нещо, което собствениците не смятат, че е хубаво да се купува. Те си правят представителство, печелят от него, а ние глупаците да си купуваме, да им даваме аванс, за да работят с нашите пари, а после да ги чакаме да ни върнат автомобила и да се молим да не го повредят. Попитах представителството, защо е взел моята кола, а не си е купил. Те ми отговориха, че такава е практиката и че собственика е взел моята кола, защото е била най-хубавата. Тогава се почувствах за втори път като идиот. Плащаш за нещо, което е много хубаво и си длъжен да търпиш търговеца да ти го използва. На мен ми прилича на правото на аристократа в старинния свят да спи с жената на крепостния селянин. Аз съм човек, който търси вината в себе си и реших, че аз нещо не съм разбрал системата. Обадих се на търговеца и поисках да се откажа от автомобила. Той ме уведоми, че съм оставил капара и то остава за тях. Аз се съгласих и им казах, че това е правилно. Тогава той ми каза, че заради мен капарото е било "само" 10 000 лева. Аз се съгласих да им дам още 5 000 лева само да спра с този тормоз. От угорчение ми се срина имунитета и получих съборея и лупеция. Тогава те ме увериха, че това няма да се повтори и аз реших да приема извинението и да си забравим случая. Много вярвам в хората и обичах марката, затова реших да забравя. Но както може да предположите те не спряха. След една седмица шефовете продължиха да карат. След още един скандал спряха. После фирмата на съпругата ми закупи БМВ Z4. То се счупи след две седмици и чакахме частта един месец. Ние трябва да плащаме лизинг всеки месец, а това,че една премиум марка има вина ти да стоиш без автомобил тях не ги интересува. Естествено, че не дадоха автомобли заместител. Нали те трябва да карат определените за клиента автомобили. След това си закупих и БМВ 750 IL. На шестия ден от покупката автомобила спря в София, като ми показа, че автомобила прегрява. Обадих се в представителството от което съм го закупил, за съдействие. Те ми казаха, че нищо не мога да направят да се оправям в софия. Аз стоях там с автомобил пълен с багаж и не знаех какво да правя. Обадих се в едното софийско представителство и ми казаха, че мога да ми погледната автомобила след 2 седмици, а другото си сменяше софтуера и трябваше да чакам 5 дена. Избрах по-малкото зло и отидох там където трябваше да чакам "само" 5 дни. Оказа се, че при същия проблем, ако го имаш при Инфинити в България ще ти изпратят човек, който да ти докара автомобил заместител, за тяхна сметка с пътна помощ ще закарат автомобила до техния сервиз и след това ще ти я върнат на удобно за теб място. Но БМВ - то, което е 3 пъти по скъпо не ти предлага нищо. После започнаха низ от проблеми с дадения автомобил. И ми се даваше кола заместител само, ако аз ги помолех и то само за ден в рамките на Варна. Случи се така, че в една локва двигатела ми глътна вода и се счупи. Това беше локва в градски условия, където имаше колона от автомобили, но само моята се счупи. Тогава имах среща с управителя на БМВ България, който ме убеждаваше, че вината е моя и ми обясни как точно се е случило без да е бил на мястото. Пак извъртяха нещата и добре, че беше моя застраховател Уника, които платиха за двигателя без това да беше условие по застраховката. Направиха го защото имаха отношение към клиента. Случаите са много и ако ги опиша ще стане роман. Последния беше фрапантен. От всичките тези проблеми с БМВ реших най-накрая да сложа край на тормоза и да сменя марката с такава, която уважава клиентите. Отидох и си купих Инфинити. Тогава от БМВ решиха да ме ухажват и ми предложиха в събота да взема да шофирам пробно новата 6-та серия. Инфинитито си го дадох на моя колежка, която има БМВ и на покрива и падна лед и колата влезе за ремонт, който ще е над 20 000 лева, но от БМВ не и дадоха автомобил заместител. Тя има малко дете и не може без кола. Отстъпих и моето Инфинити и аз си шофирах БМВ то 7 серия. В петък на 02.03.2012 се прибирам от София и един турски тир ми смаза автомобила, като след удара още два автомобила с врязах в моя автомобил. Колата е смазана и от двете страни. След като научиха за случилото се от Инфинити ме попитаха дали имам нужда от кола заместител. Благодарих им, като си мислих, че за събота и неделя имам автомобил, който от БМВ ме помолиха да тествам. Отивам в представителството на БМВ във Варна, за да ги попитам за състоянието на седмицата и да взема тестовия автомобил. От там ми отговориха, че няма проблем, колата ще стане като нова. Всичко това при положение, че тя е смляна и е нарушена и едната колона от тавана. Учудих се защо е това и веднага се сетих, нали ще вземат пари от ремонта. Те гледат на всяка цена да оправят колата само и само да вземат пари, а въобще не мислят за клиента, че това е автомобил, който няма да е устойчив и при положение, че не могат да отстранят елементарни проблеми от които се оплаквам, как ще оправят този. Камерите ми отказват да работят от време на време и те ми казват, че нищо не могат да направят, защото не знаят от какво е. Скоростната ми кутия скърца от самото начало и те го установиха, но казаха, че не знаят от какво е и ще чакат да стане по-голям дефект, за да го отстраня. Ами ако аз загина заради този дефект, ами ако се случи след гаранционния период и трябва аз да плащам десетки хиляди левове. Те точно това целят, като не знаят или не могат нещо не търсят начин да го направят защото това струва пари, а искат клиента да плаща. Айпъл като ти се счупи айфона ти го заменят с нов. Те ми отговарят, че онова струвало по малко, но и печалбата от него е по-малка. След като са ти продали нещо, което е счупено и не могат да оправят да ти го подменят с друго. В крайна сметка те затова получават печалба, защото са отговорни. Как след като не могат да отстранят дребни проблеми ще оправят тази огромна щета. Но нали от тази щета ще вземат много пари ти това само гледат. За обещания двудневен тест не стана и дума, за кола заместител още повече. Явно някой шеф я е взел отново. Просто съм потресен от тяхното отношение и никога повече няма да си дам парите за тази марка.
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Мнение от LEXUS » 05 Мар 2012 20:44

Та, мисълта ми е вместо да изкарваме една кола ненадеждна от единични случаи, каквито можем да цитираме за всеки модел и марка, ние трябва да се обосновем не на единични случаи, каквито има при всеки модел и марка, а на хиляди,за да установим кое е здраво!

За това четем немските технически прегледи, а именно ТЮВ награждава Приус като най-здрав автомобил. И не само ТЮВ, и в САЩ, та дори и германците от Ауто-Билд тестваха Приус на 100 000км. и потвърдиха резултатите на останалите организации,че Приус е много здрава кола.

Между другото от многото цитати на колегата Е60, само в едва 4 или 5 се споменава за сменена батерия! Приус няма никакви проблеми с батериите.

Още повече,че батериите са покрити от 8 годишна гаранция!

Никоя турбина и дюза на дизел не е с такава гаранция.

Това показва колко много увереност има Тойота в хибридите си!
И от всичко изчетено по тема надеждност на колите, мога да кажа,че Приус е най-здравата кола изобщо на пазара.
Перфекционизмът на японците и изпитаната хибридна технология на тойота са голям плюс да си купиш именно хибрид, в Приус Тойота вгражда изключително високо качество и перфекционизъм, защото именно този модел е огледало за възможностите на марката във високите технологии и точно сега се налага като модел. Тойота не биха си позволили да се изложат с Приус, не биха позволили точно Приус да има проблеми. И той няма.
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Мнение от LEXUS » 05 Мар 2012 20:47

ToyotaPassion написа:biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif LEXUS-е, чудех се защо те няма цял ден в темата, а то ти си правил рисърч! :thumbsup:
biggrin.gif Не, не съм влизал във форума няколко дни. И сега погледнах интересната тема biggrin.gif И набързо направих един рисърч. biggrin.gif Но този е съвсем набързо, иначе ще задръстим сървърите, а няма смисъл.
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Мнение от nowyaris » 05 Мар 2012 20:48

Баси, колеги,вий знаете ли как ми куца английския.Що не го напишете същото на китайски например-не че и той не ми куца,ама няма само аз нищо да не мога да разбера от хвалбите и оплакванията :thumbsup: .

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Мнение от nowyaris » 05 Мар 2012 20:50

ToyotaPassion написа:
nowyaris написа:
Vesko написа:
Бързото придвижване няма нищо общо със сътезание smile.gif

Днес забелязах от 2.8.2011 до сега средният ми разход е 10.7л./100
И с кво има общо?????
Сигурно го подметва с оглед на мечтата ми за неговия автомобил и линка към ревю, в което със спокойно каране /по закона/ може даже и под 6 да се смъкне happy.gif
Хич не ти трябва-Веско вече му е извадил душата.А и сигурно тапицерията на задната седалка вече е за смяна biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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Мнение от E60_Power » 05 Мар 2012 20:52

Колега dnedkov, тази история поне на мен ми звучи малко съшита с бели конци / преебан мотор от локва и скърцаща скоростна кутия /. Но, както и да е. Ако можеш, дай линк към конкретния коментар. Можем да проверим дали подобен случай касае обслужването в Камор. След проверка, ще постна инфо за разговорите ми с управителя на дружеството и директора "Продажби". Сигурен съм, че ако касае Камор, все ще се намери някаква следа за това, че случката е факт.

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Мнение от dnedkov » 05 Мар 2012 20:58

E60_Power написа:Колега dnedkov, тази история поне на мен ми звучи малко съшита с бели конци / преебан мотор от локва и скърцаща скоростна кутия /. Но, както и да е. Ако можеш, дай линк към конкретния коментар. Можем да проверим дали подобен случай касае обслужването в Камор. След проверка, ще постна инфо за разговорите ми с управителя на дружеството и директора "Продажби". Сигурен съм, че ако касае Камор, все ще се намери някаква следа за това, че случката е факт.
Инфото е от тук:


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Мнение от Rudy » 05 Мар 2012 21:19

E60_Power написа: Можем да проверим дали подобен случай касае обслужването в Камор. След проверка, ще постна инфо за разговорите ми с управителя на дружеството и директора "Продажби".
Що не вземеш да звъннеш и да провериш и онези писаници дето плесна на предната страница? Ама май не ти оттърва? А коментара ти за статистиката на DEKRA? Те май бяха германци или се лъжа?...
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Мнение от jim_beam » 05 Мар 2012 21:27

не виждам какво му е чудното,автомата на бмв,например 5 серия е ненадежден!колега има последен модел 530д,кутията му е леж,няма да ти казвам цените на частите.
силата на немците е в стабилните купета,пасивната сигурност е ненадмината.комфорта на луксозните лимузини както и динамичните мотори,но дотам свършва всичко,от там нататък остава тойота! wink.gif

ps:относно дефекти по батериите сигурно се заблуждава колегата,единствените батерии,които сдават багажа преждевременно,са 12V,т.е. нормалния акумулатор!той за съжаление е твърде ниско дименсиониран,а когато му падне много капацитета,започвали да излизат грешки на дисплея.абсолютно безобидно е,освен това тойота ги сменя гаранционно!
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Мнение от gh0s7r1d3r » 05 Мар 2012 21:39

Тази история за БМВ-то гарантирано не е истинска. А явно не касае точно Камор, а по-скоро М-Кар, щото май действието се развива във Варна. Ама изобщо не е истинска според мен.
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Мнение от zi_zi_top » 05 Мар 2012 21:48

Едно време имаше едно списание "Паралели" и там имаше рубрика "Невероятно, но факт!". wink.gif
Не можеш да си сигурен до колко е истинска историята, но все пак всичко е възможно.
Колкото до историята с ползването на капариран демонстрационен автомобил - да знаеш, че е редовна практика във всички представителства. :thumbsup:
Известната мъдрост учи да се избягва даването храна на троловете и да се устоява на изкушението да им се отговаря.
Войнстващата простащина е последната защитна линия на всяко неаргументирано становище, но тя не го прави по-аргументирано!

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Мнение от E60_Power » 05 Мар 2012 21:53

Коментарите за БМВ могат да доведат до един единствен извод и той е, че в Западна Европа / вероятно и САЩ / смешници карат не само Приус, но и БМВ. Първо, да ти се скапе мотора на 80-90.000 километра / специално за тоя модел - Е60 / говори за потресаваща мърлявщина на шофьора. Най-вероятно подобна кола не е била обслужвана с масла и филтри. Има едни клапи / ние ги наричаме "пеперудки" /, по които се наслагва нагар. Въпросните пеперудки са с тънка ос и когато имат нагар, а автомобила е вкаран в дрифтове, пилене на гуми и оборотите в червено, пеперудките се чупят и отиват в цилиндрите. А от там ......... е ясно. Тънките оси са конструктивна грешка на концерна / всяка една автомобилна компания има подобни, включително и Тойота /, подменят се безплатно с такива с по-дебели и здрави оси. Но ако редовно се обслужва автомобила, подмяната на пеперудките не е нужна. Моите съм ги проверявал, когато колата беше на 220.000 километра и светеха, просто защото предишния собственик се е грижил за колата.

Турбото заминава заради шофьора. Нередовна смяна на масло, несменяне на филтри. Или газ до ламарината при 35 градуса навън, 2-3 дрифта и пилене на гуми ....... и моментално гасене на колата. И турбото ще замине след една дузина подобни упражнения. Защо? Ако някой проявява интерес, когато имам време, ще обясня. Моята турбина е на 300.000 километра и не е сменяна.

Автоматът на Е60 е надежден. Но трябва да знаеш как да го използваш и да подменяш маслото, филтъра на картерните газове и самия картер / подменят се заедно /. Само, че много ахмаци / очевидно ги има и на запад от Калотина / сядат в подобна кола, спускат се по наклон на позиция N на автомата и ....... след известно време ремоооооонт. Що? Щото тая работа не е като оная. Или пък колата се кара малко, не излиза от гаража, вече е на 8-9 години, но никой не се сеща, че всяка / без изключение / течност в един автомобил подлежи на подмяна. Колата може да е на 20.000 километра, ама ако е на 9г. със сигурност маслото в скоростната кутия вече е загубило от качествата си. Или както ми каза един директор в Кастрол преди време - ако маслото стои две години на склад във варел и не сме го продали, задължително го бракуваме, просто защото вече не е същото.

И така нататък. Дизела има своите специфики. Ако не се научиш да караш и поддържаш такава кола, ремонтите могат да бъдат брутални.

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Мнение от BIS » 05 Мар 2012 22:00

E60_Power написа:Колега dnedkov, тази история поне на мен ми звучи малко съшита с бели конци / преебан мотор от локва и скърцаща скоростна кутия /. Но, както и да е. Ако можеш, дай линк към конкретния коментар. Можем да проверим дали подобен случай касае обслужването в Камор. След проверка, ще постна инфо за разговорите ми с управителя на дружеството и директора "Продажби". Сигурен съм, че ако касае Камор, все ще се намери някаква следа за това, че случката е факт.
Ти да не би да очакваш директора на "Продажби" и управителят да си признаят за такива случаи, и да ти кажат,че обслужването им е лошо. Нали се сещаш,че няма как да стане това.
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